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pete_auau
Post subject: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:46 pm
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Need some one to point me in the right direction on this issue. I use pfpx to plan my route etx and when its time to load the flight plan in pf3 and in every flight i have made it always comes up with 4 or more errors saying you you way points are too close to one another and your first and last waypoints are too close and if you click ok you might find you have issues with pf3 etc. Question how to solve this or get around this issue since it might be the cause of my issue or might not be is that pf3 seems to be late to descend making a steep decsend rate which makes me do a go around. any help is appriciated

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Dan77
Post subject: Re: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:30 pm
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You receive a warning if PF3 waypoints are closer than 5 nm to each other. Having waypoints that are too close to each other may or may not cause problems (see p. 34 of the User Guide for more info).

Waypoints too close to the airport are a more serious issue. The warning for waypoints too close to the departure airport is 10 nm and to the destination airport it is 15 nm. Waypoints closer to the airports than these ranges should generally be left out of your PF3 flight plan because you will be vectored at these distance ranges. I try to avoid having any PF3 waypoints closer than 20 nm from the destination airport, and having a last waypoint at about 25-40 nm works well. If a procedure requires that you fly waypoints that are very close to the airport, enter them in your FMC and fly a SID or STAR in PF3, but do not include the close waypoints in your PF3 flight plan. See the following for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2149#p12319

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pete_auau
Post subject: Re: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:54 pm
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Dan77 wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 1:30 pm
You receive a warning if PF3 waypoints are closer than 5 nm to each other. Having waypoints that are too close to each other may or may not cause problems (see p. 34 of the User Guide for more info).

Waypoints too close to the airport are a more serious issue. The warning for waypoints too close to the departure airport is 10 nm and to the destination airport it is 15 nm. Waypoints closer to the airports than these ranges should generally be left out of your PF3 flight plan because you will be vectored at these distance ranges. I try to avoid having any PF3 waypoints closer than 20 nm from the destination airport. and having a last waypoint at about 25-40 nm works well. If a procedure requires that you fly waypoints that are very close to the airport, enter them in your FMC and fly a SID or STAR in PF3, but do not include the close waypoints in your PF3 flight plan. See the following for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2149#p12319
Thx Dan for the quick response i knew that i guess but my question is their a way to delete the way point in pf3 other than trying to delete them in pfpx since iam sure their is a way of doing it in pfpx but havnt tried it yet

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Dan77
Post subject: Re: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 1:57 pm
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pete_auau wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 1:54 pm
My question is their a way to delete the way point in pf3 other than trying to delete them in pfpx since iam sure their is a way of doing it in pfpx but havnt tried it yet
You can manually edit the saved pln file that is generated, before you load it into PF3. I find that is the easiest way to do it, at least in my case.

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drumsart
Post subject: Re: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 2:22 pm
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pete_auau wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 1:54 pm
Dan77 wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 1:30 pm
You receive a warning if PF3 waypoints are closer than 5 nm to each other. Having waypoints that are too close to each other may or may not cause problems (see p. 34 of the User Guide for more info).

Waypoints too close to the airport are a more serious issue. The warning for waypoints too close to the departure airport is 10 nm and to the destination airport it is 15 nm. Waypoints closer to the airports than these ranges should generally be left out of your PF3 flight plan because you will be vectored at these distance ranges. I try to avoid having any PF3 waypoints closer than 20 nm from the destination airport. and having a last waypoint at about 25-40 nm works well. If a procedure requires that you fly waypoints that are very close to the airport, enter them in your FMC and fly a SID or STAR in PF3, but do not include the close waypoints in your PF3 flight plan. See the following for more info:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=2149#p12319
Thx Dan for the quick response i knew that i guess but my question is their a way to delete the way point in pf3 other than trying to delete them in pfpx since iam sure their is a way of doing it in pfpx but havnt tried it yet
Like Dan wrote you can delete any waypoint in the saved pln file. If you want delete/edit directly in PFPX just click on "Edit" option, a new window will open with all the waypoints on the left. Right click on the waypoint you want delete then just choose "Delete" option.
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Post subject: Re: Re flight plan( waypoints too close)
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 5:14 pm
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drumsart wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 2:22 pm
Like Dan wrote you can delete any waypoint in the saved pln file. If you want delete/edit directly in PFPX just click on "Edit" option, a new window will open with all the waypoints on the left. Right click on the waypoint you want delete then just choose "Delete" option.
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The problem is that in PFPX - as far as I know - you cannot delete a single waypoint that is part of a STAR. You have to deselect the whole STAR and then manually re-add the first waypoints of the STAR which you want to include in the flightplan.
So editing the pln-file is the easiest option.

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Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 6:27 pm
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You can also disable the PF3 warning in options #1 misc options. To be honest PFPX is a waste of money. It makes too many errors. Try on line flightplanner instead it's free http://onlineflightplanner.org/

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drumsart
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Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 12:11 am
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RALF9636 wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 5:14 pm
drumsart wrote: *  Mon May 29, 2017 2:22 pm
Like Dan wrote you can delete any waypoint in the saved pln file. If you want delete/edit directly in PFPX just click on "Edit" option, a new window will open with all the waypoints on the left. Right click on the waypoint you want delete then just choose "Delete" option.
Regards,
The problem is that in PFPX - as far as I know - you cannot delete a single waypoint that is part of a STAR. You have to deselect the whole STAR and then manually re-add the first waypoints of the STAR which you want to include in the flightplan.
So editing the pln-file is the easiest option.
Yes, you're right about STAR in PFPX. My post was just for info to Pete which was not sure how to proceed to delete a waypoint in PFPX. I agree, editing the Pln file is the easiest option.
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