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jimble
Post subject: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 7:04 pm
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Today i was trying a flight from LFPO to Egkk, ATIS said that 24 was the active runway but then ground assigned me rnwy 6..and then was telling AI to taxi to rnwy 24. Any idea what is going on here?
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vololiberista
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 8:27 pm
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jimble wrote:
Today i was trying a flight from LFPO to Egkk, ATIS said that 24 was the active runway but then ground assigned me rnwy 6..and then was telling AI to taxi to rnwy 24. Any idea what is going on here?
Thanks.
Not without your logs. Also can you include the actual reported METAR. It could also be a down to a bad afcad file. Post your logs and it will be looked at.

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jimble
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 9:52 pm
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Thanks for the reply.
Winds 184@5 visibility 19 miles, temp 20, QNH 1023 landing and departing rnwy 24.
Which log is it that you need, not sure that i still have it.
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ThomasAH
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 9:54 pm
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jimble wrote:
Which log is it that you need, not sure that i still have it.
The PF3/Logs folder, it will keep the logs from the current and the previous flight, you could check the time stamps to see if it matches the flight in question.
Just zip it and attach it here.

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jimble
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Tue May 17, 2016 10:57 pm
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Ok thanks, but the logs appear to contain complete gibberish, maybe you can make head or tail of it.

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ThomasAH
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 6:05 am
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The logs show your problem, here the relevant lines:
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17/05/2016 12:28:44: 600 - ATIS Active Runway determined by AI Traffic at LFPO
17/05/2016 12:28:44: 690 - Transcript: 'This is Orly Airport Information Romeo Weather at 1730 Zulu winds 181 at 5 visibility 19 miles.
  Sky condition 30 0 thousand 2 hundred Few . Temperature 20 . Dewpoint 3 . Altimeter 1023 . ILS Runway 24 in use, Landing departing runway 24 .
  VFR aircraft say direction of flight. All aircraft readback hold short instructions. Advise controller on initial contact you have Romeo '
17/05/2016 12:39:27: 180 - Runway 24 0 is being used by AI Traffic! #A
17/05/2016 12:39:27: 180 - Active Runway is set to 24
17/05/2016 12:51:07: 210 - Runway 6 0 is being used by AI Traffic! #A
17/05/2016 12:51:07: 210 - Active Runway is set to 6
17/05/2016 12:51:10: 490 - Get Taxi instructions #1 for Runway 6 
17/05/2016 12:51:10: 950 - Transcript: 'Speedbird 196 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 6 using taxiway Lima 1  Whiskey 2  Lima 4  Lima Mike   Lima November   Whiskey 45  Whiskey 46  Whiskey 47   '
17/05/2016 12:51:28: 610 - Transcript: 'Lima 1  Whiskey 2  Lima 4  Lima Mike   Lima November   Whiskey 45  Whiskey 46  Whiskey 47  holding point, runway 6 Speedbird 196  '
17/05/2016 12:56:40: 440 - Transcript: 'Air France 6230 taxi to runway and hold runway 26  '
17/05/2016 12:56:44: 700 - Transcript: 'taxi to runway and hold runway 26 Air France 6230  '
At first PF3 saw AI only on runway 24 (shown in ATIS).
Then there was AI on runway 6 (when you received your clearance).
Then PF3 observed Air France 6230 at the holding point of runway 26 and reacted to that.

PF3 does not control the AI (except for stopping it in certain situations), so it only can observe and make ATC calls about what it sees.

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RALF9636
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 8:57 am
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This is not a PF3 issue. It is caused by the way the sim handles AI traffic:

Immediately when the sim starts some AI aircraft are already assigned a runway - before the correct weather is loaded into the sim. When the weather is loadad, these initial runway assignments might turn out to be wrong, but they are kept. So all following runway assignments are correct, but the AI aircraft that have received the initial assignments are still travelling towards the wrong runway.

Even if PF3 would find a way to ignore these wrong initial runway assignments, you might still see AI aircraft using the wrong runway.

So, what can you do about it?

The safest way is to have the AI traffic sliders set to zero when the sim starts. Wait for the weather to be loaded into the sim and only then increase the AI traffic sliders.

Another option is to refresh the AI traffic after the weather has loaded into the sim. You can do that by increasing the sim rate to 8x and then turn it back to 1x. Or change the sim time by 1 minute.

Connect PF3 afterwards.

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Dan77
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:09 pm
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RALF9636 wrote:
The safest way is to have the AI traffic sliders set to zero when the sim starts. Wait for the weather to be loaded into the sim and only then increase the AI traffic sliders.
I use this method and in most cases it works well. I start FS with AI at 0%, wait for the weather to load completely, set the altimeter, and then set the AI to the desired level.

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vololiberista
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 2:29 pm
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RALF9636 wrote:
Another option is to refresh the AI traffic after the weather has loaded into the sim. You can do that by increasing the sim rate to 8x and then turn it back to 1x. Or change the sim time by 1 minute.

Connect PF3 afterwards.
I actually have that option in my weather engine.

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jimble
Post subject: Re: Problem with runway assignment
Posted: Wed May 18, 2016 5:26 pm
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Mystery solved. Thanks to Dave and the other contributers.
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