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Author:  rob_1965 [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 10:55 am ]
Post subject:  PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Dear reader,

I don't understand PF3 anymore. I have followed all the tips and tricks.
I loaded the flightplan into PF3. I made sure my last waypoint was 31 miles from LEMD. Everything goes fine after the start. I am vectored to my first waypoint and to an inItial altitude of 6000. But then it starts. I have to request higher altitudes then fl60 though my cruise altutude is FL 250. I am denied higher altitudes so i am stuck at FL60. Then i am finally granted a higher altitude. Then when i am at TOD nothing happens, so i have to request a lower altitude. But then i have to go back to a higher altitude, although i am only about 40 miles from LEMD. Then i am vectored to runway 36R, but i am much too high at that moment.
What am i doing wrong??
Please help me!!

Greetings,

Rob Peters.
Author:  Dave March [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 2:37 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Oh dear... well, in a nutshell you went somewhat of track and PF3 had to keep bumping the flight plan waypoints to keep track... so that's why everything went to pot unfortunately

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Author:  rob_1965 [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 3:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Hello Dave,

I only followed the instructions from ATC. Could you maybe tell me why it kept me at fl 60 for so long?
And how can i make sure it doesn’t happen again? Because i want to enjoy PF3 and that isn’t happening now.
Thanks for your help!
Author:  Dave March [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Just follow the flight plan... that's what PF3 expects. Why did you go off course?
Author:  rob_1965 [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 4:25 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Hello Dave,

I was following the flightplan. Then it told me to follow a heading. Then I stopped because i was too high.
But why did it keep me at fl60 for so long?

Can you show me a transcript? Maybe it makes sense then to me.

Cheers,

Rob.
Author:  Dave March [ Tue Oct 10, 2023 6:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Here's the transcript from your flight.
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10/10/2023 10:36:45: 530 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 cleared to LEMD runway heading departure maintain 6 thousand Squawk 3261  '
10/10/2023 10:37:10: 460 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Readback correct. QNH 1023 Report ready for push and start  '
10/10/2023 10:43:07: 010 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 push and start approved Heading South West   Report When ready to taxi  '
10/10/2023 10:49:41: 750 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 10 using taxiway   Bravo   Tango 5  Tango 6  Charlie 6  Delta 1  Delta 3  Delta 2   '
10/10/2023 11:03:24: 970 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Line up and wait runway 10  '
10/10/2023 11:04:54: 540 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Winds 120 at 4 runway 10 cleared for takeoff fly runway heading.  '
10/10/2023 11:06:09: 730 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Contact departure on 127.45   '
10/10/2023 11:06:44: 480 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Squawk Ident QNH 1023  '
10/10/2023 11:06:59: 820 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Turn right heading 220  '
10/10/2023 11:07:08: 940 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 No speed restriction  '
10/10/2023 11:08:21: 300 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Climb Flight Level 70  '
10/10/2023 11:08:41: 480 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Turn right heading 235  '
10/10/2023 11:09:28: 010 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 resume own navigation to AMTOS  '
10/10/2023 11:10:51: 170 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 maintain Flight Level 70  '
10/10/2023 11:13:28: 940 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158  '
10/10/2023 11:15:12: 190 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Climb Flight Level 150  '
10/10/2023 11:16:04: 440 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Contact Madrid Control on 135.7  '
10/10/2023 11:17:52: 520 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Roger  '
10/10/2023 11:21:56: 390 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Climb and maintain Flight Level 200  '
10/10/2023 11:33:13: 230 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Descend and maintain Flight Level 150  '
10/10/2023 11:38:32: 570 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Climb Flight Level 180  '
10/10/2023 11:39:00: 360 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Climb Flight Level 160  '
10/10/2023 11:41:00: 570 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Climb and maintain Flight Level 160  '
10/10/2023 11:41:50: 280 - Transcript: 'Roger Europa 7158 Climb and maintain Flight Level 140  '
10/10/2023 11:42:26: 990 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Continue present heading expect vectors for the runway 36 Right  '
10/10/2023 11:42:54: 390 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Turn right heading 285  '
10/10/2023 11:43:09: 700 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Contact Approach on 128.65   '
10/10/2023 11:44:46: 590 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Roger  '
10/10/2023 11:45:01: 090 - Transcript: 'Europa 7158 Climb and maintain Flight Level 140  '
When you reached the 3rd waypoint (NONTU) at approximately 11:29 you turned left to a heading of 158 degrees. ATC did not tell you to do that. Also they didn't keep you at 6000', you were told to climb to FL70 two minutes after contacting Departure... seven minutes later you were cleared to FL150 and after a further seven minutes you were cleared to FL200. But you were now going off track and subsequently the flight went wrong.

Why didn't you follow the flight plan, which is what you're meant to do? ATC will not guide you the entire way, you're expected to follow the plan, just like in the real world.

I really can't spend time going through logs when you clearly didn't do what you were supposed to do.
Author:  rob_1965 [ Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Hello Dave,

Thank you very much for your help!
I am sorry if I did anything wrong! I will do another flight. I will fly the plan and not make any requests for altitude changes. Let’s see what happens. I do hope it will work well.
This is not meant sarcastic.

Cheers,

Rob.
Author:  Dave March [ Wed Oct 11, 2023 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
Hi Rob,

Nothing to apologies for... this is what the support forum is for. Please do let us know how you get on and if you have any problems at all remember to post the debug log.
Author:  rob_1965 [ Wed Oct 11, 2023 1:41 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 ATC weird communication during flight
I will do that!
Thanks again for your patience and understanding!

Cheers,

Rob.
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