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johnbla
Post subject: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 7:56 am
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Hi, I normally fly VFR in my PA44 Seminole. Today I tried a short IFR flight from YSGT to YWLM with one waypoint. The flight plan showed heading of 096. When I arrived at the waypoint I was contacted by Approach and I was vectored to a heading of 170 which is away from the airport and I stayed on this heading for nearly a further 20 miles. After this I was given some small headings toward the airport. I then got fed up and cancelled the flight.

I don't know if this is normal procedure for small GA aircraft in IFR conditions. Is there a way to be able to be vectored towards the airport without such huge vectors and distances?

Log file attached. Thanks in advance.
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Dave March
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 12:16 pm
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No log file attached!

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johnbla
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 12:28 pm
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Sorry, forgot to zip it. Now attached.

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Dave March
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:01 pm
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Sorry, that's not the correct log. This log is for a VFR flight and you didn't receive any vectoring from ATC.

If you've completed a flight since the issue you need to provide the OLD_Debug_Monitor.log file. If you've completed more than one additional flight since the issue then unfortunately the log will have been overwritten.

Here's the complete transcript between you and ATC from the log you provided.
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13/05/2021 7:19:59 PM: 910 - Transcript: 'Radio Juliet Bravo 1 Would you please open my VFR flight plan at this time? '
13/05/2021 7:20:08 PM: 720 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Roger. We'll open your flight plan at 40 '
13/05/2021 7:20:15 PM: 340 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Roger thank you. '
13/05/2021 7:21:07 PM: 770 - Transcript: 'Uniform Hotel Sierra Mike (Local) Traffic Juliet Bravo 1 Departing runway 19 to the northeast '
13/05/2021 7:31:26 PM: 710 - Transcript: 'Departure Juliet Bravo 1 Out of 3 thousand for 2 thousand request Radar Service '
13/05/2021 7:31:35 PM: 430 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Squawk 3535 '
13/05/2021 7:31:44 PM: 130 - Transcript: '3535 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 7:31:55 PM: 320 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Climb to 4 thousand '
13/05/2021 7:32:03 PM: 450 - Transcript: 'Out of 3 thousand 5 hundred for 4 thousand Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 7:32:20 PM: 860 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Contact Radar Control on 129.3 for Radar Service Frequency change approved '
13/05/2021 7:32:31 PM: 520 - Transcript: 'Roger Radar Control on 129.3 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 7:32:42 PM: 080 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 is with you at 3 thousand 5 hundred request Radar Service '
13/05/2021 7:32:51 PM: 520 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 7:33:35 PM: 440 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 Position Report 88 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 to the southwest at 1453 local '
13/05/2021 7:33:46 PM: 950 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 88 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 at 1453 local QNH 1017 '
13/05/2021 7:42:14 PM: 500 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 Position Report 71 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 to the southwest at 1502 local '
13/05/2021 7:42:25 PM: 810 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 71 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 at 1502 local QNH 1017 '
13/05/2021 7:52:03 PM: 670 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 Position Report 51 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 to the southwest at 1512 local '
13/05/2021 7:52:13 PM: 760 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 51 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 at 1512 local QNH 1017 '
13/05/2021 8:12:03 PM: 450 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 Position Report 40 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 to the southwest at 1532 local '
13/05/2021 8:12:14 PM: 560 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 40 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 at 1532 local QNH 1017 '
13/05/2021 8:17:48 PM: 720 - Transcript: 'Radar Control Juliet Bravo 1 Position Report 28 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 to the southwest at 1538 local '
13/05/2021 8:17:59 PM: 830 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 28 miles from Whiskey Papa 1 at 1538 local QNH 1017 '
13/05/2021 8:30:36 PM: 710 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 radar service terminated, squawk 7000 Contact Approach on 132.5 '
13/05/2021 8:30:50 PM: 110 - Transcript: 'Roger 132.5 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:30:57 PM: 210 - Transcript: 'Approach Juliet Bravo 1 Level at 4 thousand for Landing '
13/05/2021 8:31:04 PM: 520 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Squawk 2437 '
13/05/2021 8:31:10 PM: 880 - Transcript: '2437 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:31:58 PM: 160 - Transcript: 'Approach Juliet Bravo 1 is with you, level at 4 thousand for Landing '
13/05/2021 8:32:05 PM: 330 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:32:10 PM: 380 - Transcript: 'Roger Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:35:48 PM: 150 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 The airport is to the northeast 20 Miles maintain 2 thousand at pilot's discretion. Report airport in sight. '
13/05/2021 8:36:00 PM: 750 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:36:50 PM: 760 - Transcript: 'Radio Juliet Bravo 1 Request field advisory '
13/05/2021 8:36:57 PM: 920 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Contact Tower for advisory on 127.7 '
13/05/2021 8:37:06 PM: 530 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Roger thank you. '
13/05/2021 8:37:49 PM: 180 - Transcript: 'Approach Juliet Bravo 1 has the airport '
13/05/2021 8:37:53 PM: 590 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Contact Tower on 127.7 radar service terminated, squawk 7000 '
13/05/2021 8:38:05 PM: 880 - Transcript: '127.7 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:38:15 PM: 000 - Transcript: 'Tower Juliet Bravo 1 at 15 Miles to the southwest at 4 thousand Landing '
13/05/2021 8:38:23 PM: 560 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Winds 160 at 11 QNH 1018 report entering the pattern for runway 13 '
13/05/2021 8:38:35 PM: 110 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:43:29 PM: 220 - Transcript: 'Tower Juliet Bravo 1 entering downwind for runway 13 '
13/05/2021 8:43:34 PM: 450 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 report turning base '
13/05/2021 8:43:40 PM: 620 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:45:18 PM: 910 - Transcript: 'Tower Juliet Bravo 1 turning base for landing, runway 13 '
13/05/2021 8:45:25 PM: 090 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 report turning final '
13/05/2021 8:45:32 PM: 130 - Transcript: 'Roger Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:46:10 PM: 630 - Transcript: 'Tower Juliet Bravo 1 turning final for landing, runway 13 '
13/05/2021 8:46:15 PM: 780 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Cleared to land runway 13 '
13/05/2021 8:46:22 PM: 970 - Transcript: 'Cleared to land runway 13 Juliet Bravo 1 '
13/05/2021 8:49:10 PM: 630 - Transcript: ' Juliet Bravo 1 Contact Tower on 127.7 when clear of the active '
13/05/2021 8:49:18 PM: 990 - Transcript: '127.7 Juliet Bravo 1 '

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johnbla
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:05 pm
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Attached. If it has been overwritten I will try another flight tomorrow and post the log. Let me know how it goes. Thanks in advance.

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Dave March
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:14 pm
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No, that's a VFR flight also.

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johnbla
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:17 pm
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Sorry Dave, I will do the same IFR flight tomorrow and post the log. It's getting late here in Aussie for this old bloke.
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Dave March
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Thu May 13, 2021 1:20 pm
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Okay, no problem. Sleep tight!

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johnbla
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 8:31 am
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Hi Dave, I'll give it another go! Hopefully this one is OK. Attached. I flew the same flight plan. I was on a course of 109 to the destination and when I was contacted by approach, I was told to turn right to 170. I stayed on this for nearly 20 miles from the airport before getting further directions. Thanks again.

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Dave March
Post subject: Re: IFR woes
Posted: Fri May 14, 2021 10:53 am
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Yep, that's an IFR log thanks.

I don't see anything wrong at all but it's a shame you didn't complete the flight as I could have then shown you a diagram of the approach pattern.

What is it you're not happy with? You can reduce the FAF distance in Options #1/Advanced Options and Tweaks if you want a tighter approach but it's not really recommended but of course you're free to try whatever you wish.

The active runway was 30 so you would have to be vectored passed the airport and then vectored back round to the runway FAF.

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