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| Author: | chevy83 [ Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:37 pm ] |
| Post subject: | ATC Vector Issue |
| Developers,Admins, SMEs, I am having a vector issue with the ATC. It is vectoring me out 30NM away from the last way point to the airport to align me of the FAF. I am not sure if this is a FAF setting or a waypoint issue. The waypoint was at least 20NM from the airport. I have attached a graphic to show what exactly is going on. I am trying to set up a more realistic Post-STAR radar vector point, but it's vectoring me away from the airport costing me fuel and time. NOTE: The route indicated is not a hold but the route the ATC vectored me. No hold was indicated or programed into the FMS. |
| Author: | Dan77 [ Sun Oct 29, 2017 2:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
| Please zip and attach the debug_monitor.log file (located in your PF3\Logs folder) as it provides information we need to see your settings as well as what happened during your most recent flight. |
| Author: | ThomasAH [ Sun Oct 29, 2017 3:29 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
| Besides the issue you reported, I'm curious about the "42 pilots flying" label on your screenshot. Is this something like FSTrackers where you can track your flights and see live and historic flights from other users? |
| Author: | vololiberista [ Sun Oct 29, 2017 4:09 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
Actually you should be vectored to TITPO which is 16DME. Therefore 2nm inside an 18 nm arc to allow for turning. So to be vectored 20nm is pretty much spot on. To be vectored 30nm suggests your settings are a bit over the mark. That's why we need to see the logs.If you do programme a hold into the FMC you also have to tell PF3 where to hold you and at what percentage of probability. As it hasn't a clue of what you programme into the FMC. pn.jpg (56.71 KiB) Viewed 3235 times |
| Author: | chevy83 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:12 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
| ZIP files attached. I hope this is purely operator error or a setting I may have goofed up. I do appreciate the time you guys take to look into it. @vololiberista, to break down what happen during the flight: I pretty much continued on all the way (w/o ATC intervention) until I passed TITPO before the ATC vectored me on a course 235 degrees away from the airport. I had to "request clearance to final" in order to turn around and head back to the airport to land. |
| Author: | chevy83 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
| @ThomasAH, its Air Hauler 2. Thats what the AH2 radar is picking up on users currently flying. |
| Author: | Dave March [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 10:56 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
Checking the log it looks to me as if everything was working perfectly... due to the angle from which you approached the airport (determined by your flight plan) and the active runway, PF3 was vectoring you directly toward the FAF. When you requested 'cleared to final' you were still 10NM from the FAF, so had you been a little more patient everything would have panned out. However, requesting 'cleared to final' is okay and the best thing to do if you're getting low on fuel or simply fed up waiting!  When I first checked I must admit I thought the FAF fix seemed a long way out and then I noticed you've changed your setting to 30 miles... PF3 uses this figure times 1.25 which placed the FAF fix at approximately 38 NM. The default setting is 7 NM which PF3 calculates to 9 miles. I have mine set to 8 miles which PF3 calculates at 10 NM. Whilst it's perfectly okay to have the FAF set to 30 miles it obviously does mean that your approach vectoring pattern is going to cover a much wider area and take that much longer, so if you are concerned about time/fuel I would suggest you reduce this considerably. |
| Author: | Dan77 [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 11:32 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
Agree that your FAF setting is likely the cause. A setting of 30 will result in a very (unnecessarily) long downwind. I have mine set at 9 and that allows plenty of room. |
| Author: | vololiberista [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
The actual FAF for TITPO is 15NM so according to Dave's calculations your FAF "for this airport approach" would be 12nm. And make sure you have set the FAF altitude for VDPP to 3,500ft. |
| Author: | ThomasAH [ Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:47 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ATC Vector Issue |
Ah, thanks. That's a nice software, but a bit more than I am looking for. |
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