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Author:  mllgrennman [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:26 am ]
Post subject:  PF3 locked after tuning ground
Ground said "standby"...and i stood by for a long time till i figured PF3 had locked up...i disconnected and reconnected...but then it said not enough hot keys and to restart sim...which i did, but same problem kept continuing at the same point...logs attached...
Author:  ThomasAH [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:17 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
PF3 has multiple routing algorithms. First it tries a fast one, and when this does not return a result, it tries the other one. At this point you hear the second "stand by" call. I had situations where this second algorithm chokes on a complicated AFCAD and needs more than 5 minutes to come up with long results like:
J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 6 using taxiway Golf 2 Golf Golf 3 Golf Hotel 14 Golf Golf 5 Echo 1 Sierra 7 Sierra 6 Sierra 5 Bravo Sierra 4 Bravo Sierra 3 Bravo Sierra 2 Romeo Sierra 1 Romeo

During this time ATC is so busy that it ignores you (and everyone else). Just be patient, when PF3 is finished, it will talk to you.
Things that helped me preventing such situations:
- using a different parking spot
- using a different AFCAD


Additionally, when you disconnect PF3 in this situation, it does not clear the hotkeys registered with FSUIPC, and as the number of allowed hotkeys is limited (I think 56 for all add-ons combined), you will quickly run out of slots.
Author:  vololiberista [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 9:46 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
ThomasAH wrote:
PF3 has multiple routing algorithms. First it tries a fast one, and when this does not return a result, it tries the other one. At this point you hear the second "stand by" call. I had situations where this second algorithm chokes on a complicated AFCAD and needs more than 5 minutes to come up with long results like:
J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 6 using taxiway Golf 2 Golf Golf 3 Golf Hotel 14 Golf Golf 5 Echo 1 Sierra 7 Sierra 6 Sierra 5 Bravo Sierra 4 Bravo Sierra 3 Bravo Sierra 2 Romeo Sierra 1 Romeo

During this time ATC is so busy that it ignores you (and everyone else). Just be patient, when PF3 is finished, it will talk to you.
Things that helped me preventing such situations:
- using a different parking spot
- using a different AFCAD


Additionally, when you disconnect PF3 in this situation, it does not clear the hotkeys registered with FSUIPC, and as the number of allowed hotkeys is limited (I think 56 for all add-ons combined), you will quickly run out of slots.
Two "Standbys" happen a lot when a taxiway connects to the centre part of a runway i.e. "not" at the far end. If as Thomas says your route to that point is complex or broken (as is often the case) then than can cause PF3 some problems. A simple example is LIMZ. It has a single runway 03-21 and a single taxiway "alpha" which joins the centre of the runway which has two turning points at either end. If the take-off is from 03, PF3 says "standby" twice and then "taxi via alpha". But if the take-off is 21 I get only one "standby" and "Taxi via taxiway." (note: this was also present in PFE). Which is a bit odd as in this case there is only one taxiway. So always have a close look at the afcad file and as Thomas says try a different parking spot or a better designed afcad. Having said that I have never had to wait five minutes. Just a few seconds between the "Standbys".
Author:  mllgrennman [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:29 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
Yes he said "standby" twice...I guess he really meant it!...And it is a very complex afcad with more AI than ive ever seen...But I didnt hear ATC talking to any one else, and no one was coming or going?
Author:  bobsk8 [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
I had this happen yesterday at a Orbx KPDX, I restarted P3D and PF3 and same issue, two quick standby's by ground when asking for taxi instructions, then it locked up. Finally restarted again at a different parking spot, and it worked fine.
Author:  ThomasAH [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
There will be only seconds between first and second standby, but up to several minutes between the second standby and Ground giving you the route.
PF3 will not talk to other aircraft, react to hotkeys or do anything else during this time. You need to be patient here.
The amount of AI does not matter.
(my 5 minutes was with default FSX EHAM AFCAD - five runways and many taxiways)
Author:  bobsk8 [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 2:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
ThomasAH wrote:
There will be only seconds between first and second standby, but up to several minutes between the second standby and Ground giving you the route.
PF3 will not talk to other aircraft, react to hotkeys or do anything else during this time. You need to be patient here.
The amount of AI does not matter.
(my 5 minutes was with default FSX EHAM AFCAD - five runways and many taxiways)
Guess I didn't wait long enough then.
Author:  vololiberista [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 4:48 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
ThomasAH wrote:
There will be only seconds between first and second standby, but up to several minutes between the second standby and Ground giving you the route.
PF3 will not talk to other aircraft, react to hotkeys or do anything else during this time. You need to be patient here.
The amount of AI does not matter.
(my 5 minutes was with default FSX EHAM AFCAD - five runways and many taxiways)
What parking spot were you at Thomas and what runway were you supposed to taxi to?
Author:  ThomasAH [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 6:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
vololiberista wrote:
ThomasAH wrote:
(my 5 minutes was with default FSX EHAM AFCAD - five runways and many taxiways)
What parking spot were you at Thomas and what runway were you supposed to taxi to?
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06/01/2016 00:00:53: 426 - Transcript: 'Ground J-Bird 1608 at parking number 42 Ready to taxi.  '
06/01/2016 00:01:16: 785 - Call Route: 774,G87
06/01/2016 00:01:17: 125 - Route Found: 774,773,772,771,770,232,231,230,229,37,228,338,759,758,756,757,760,36,101,347,6,346,345,344,343,236,804,309,290,299,300,817,301,160,161,162,452,728,442,440,410,251,250,425,G87
06/01/2016 00:01:17: 230 - Transcript: 'J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 18 Left using taxiway   Golf 7  Golf   Golf 5  Golf   Hotel 14  Golf 4  Echo 3  Alpha 11  Alpha 12  Alpha 13   '
See the old/closed thread "unresponsive while calculating a taxi route" in the beta forum.

Edit: Scratch that, this was a faster one ... the long route was parking 11 to runway 6:
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16/03/2016 18:24:05: 300 - Call Route: 914,G237
16/03/2016 18:29:11: 260 - Route Found: 914,790,495,494,498,215,336,1181,101,36,760,757,756,758,759,338,337,7,339,802,283,1132,287,754,919,284,800,181,182,183,51,54,184,63,185,187,188,202,1184,247,719,862,720,721,863,174,172,864,722,154,153,G222,G237
16/03/2016 19:07:30: 980 - Transcript: 'J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 6 using taxiway   Golf 2  Golf   Golf 3  Golf   Hotel 14  Golf   Golf 5  Echo 1  Sierra 7  Sierra 6  Sierra 5  Bravo   Sierra 4  Bravo   Sierra 3  Bravo   Sierra 2  Romeo   Sierra 1  Romeo    '
Author:  vololiberista [ Tue Nov 15, 2016 10:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 locked after tuning ground
ThomasAH wrote:
vololiberista wrote:
ThomasAH wrote:
(my 5 minutes was with default FSX EHAM AFCAD - five runways and many taxiways)
What parking spot were you at Thomas and what runway were you supposed to taxi to?
Code: Select all
06/01/2016 00:00:53: 426 - Transcript: 'Ground J-Bird 1608 at parking number 42 Ready to taxi.  '
06/01/2016 00:01:16: 785 - Call Route: 774,G87
06/01/2016 00:01:17: 125 - Route Found: 774,773,772,771,770,232,231,230,229,37,228,338,759,758,756,757,760,36,101,347,6,346,345,344,343,236,804,309,290,299,300,817,301,160,161,162,452,728,442,440,410,251,250,425,G87
06/01/2016 00:01:17: 230 - Transcript: 'J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 18 Left using taxiway   Golf 7  Golf   Golf 5  Golf   Hotel 14  Golf 4  Echo 3  Alpha 11  Alpha 12  Alpha 13   '
See the old/closed thread "unresponsive while calculating a taxi route" in the beta forum.

Edit: Scratch that, this was a faster one ... the long route was parking 11 to runway 6:
Code: Select all
16/03/2016 18:24:05: 300 - Call Route: 914,G237
16/03/2016 18:29:11: 260 - Route Found: 914,790,495,494,498,215,336,1181,101,36,760,757,756,758,759,338,337,7,339,802,283,1132,287,754,919,284,800,181,182,183,51,54,184,63,185,187,188,202,1184,247,719,862,720,721,863,174,172,864,722,154,153,G222,G237
16/03/2016 19:07:30: 980 - Transcript: 'J-Bird 1608 Roger. Taxi to holding point, runway 6 using taxiway   Golf 2  Golf   Golf 3  Golf   Hotel 14  Golf   Golf 5  Echo 1  Sierra 7  Sierra 6  Sierra 5  Bravo   Sierra 4  Bravo   Sierra 3  Bravo   Sierra 2  Romeo   Sierra 1  Romeo    '
I'll have a go tomorrow and see how many weeks PF3 takes to reply :-)
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