OnCourse Software
http://www.ocs-support.co.uk/forums/

Not sure what happened on this approach.
http://www.ocs-support.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2242		 Page 1 of 1
Author:  bobsk8 [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 2:14 am ]
Post subject:  Not sure what happened on this approach.
Approach sent me over the top of the airport and then told me to join an ILS , that I had to make a U turn, and fly back where I came from to intercept. ??? :?
Author:  ThomasAH [ Tue Sep 27, 2016 8:07 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not sure what happened on this approach.
According to your log, only one of the four runways at KACV has ILS (runway 32) and it is a nontowered airport (only Multicom, Unicom and FSS), so by itself the following can be correct:
Code: Select all
Piper 16 Juliet Cleared for the ILS runway 32 Approach Radar service terminated. Squawk 1200, change to advisory frequency approved on 123.5
Wind direction was 360, so runway 32 sounds fine, too. Runway 2 might have been a little bit better, but it seems PF3 wanted to give you ILS. It logged "Weather conditions do not require ILS", so you could have switched to a visual approach (either send "report runway in sight" or request a different runway).

Regarding the U-turn, here are the relevant parts of the log, "UAlt" is the aircraft altitude:
Code: Select all
9/26/2016 8:34:44 PM: 770 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet maintain Heading 275 expect vectors for the ILS runway 32 Approach  '
9/26/2016 8:35:10 PM: 370 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Turn right heading 340  '
9/26/2016 8:35:15 PM: 620 - Dist to Runway: 28.53731
9/26/2016 8:35:19 PM: 320 - Transcript: 'right to 34016 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:35:24 PM: 500 - Ulat: 40.5538010531091 ULon: -123.811545073872 UHdg: 275 UAlt: 7701 UIAS=99 UGS=105 TOD: 16 OTG=False
--
9/26/2016 8:37:35 PM: 220 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Descend and maintain 6 thousand 5 hundred  '
9/26/2016 8:37:48 PM: 460 - Transcript: 'Out of 7 thousand 5 hundred for 6 thousand 5 hundred 16 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:37:59 PM: 340 - Ulat: 40.6273536374456 ULon: -123.841768341628 UHdg: 334 UAlt: 7448 UIAS=108 UGS=113 TOD: 16 OTG=False
9/26/2016 8:38:00 PM: 610 - Dist to Runway: 23.75764
--
9/26/2016 8:39:16 PM: 400 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Descend to 6 thousand  '
9/26/2016 8:39:21 PM: 570 - Dist to Runway: 21.23993
9/26/2016 8:39:25 PM: 230 - Ulat: 40.6745461956231 ULon: -123.851779882594 UHdg: 334 UAlt: 6520 UIAS=93 UGS=98 TOD: 16 OTG=False
--
9/26/2016 8:39:40 PM: 300 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Contact Approach on 123.5  '
9/26/2016 8:39:46 PM: 550 - Transcript: '123.51 6 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:39:58 PM: 130 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Descend to 2 thousand 5 hundred  '
9/26/2016 8:40:12 PM: 300 - Transcript: 'Roger Out of 6 thousand for 2 thousand 5 hundred 16 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:40:22 PM: 050 - Ulat: 40.7039987112179 ULon: -123.858066696704 UHdg: 334 UAlt: 5667 UIAS=96 UGS=101 TOD: 16 OTG=False
9/26/2016 8:40:23 PM: 230 - Dist to Runway: 19.4788
--
9/26/2016 8:47:56 PM: 560 - Transcript: 'Out of 4 thousand for 2 thousand 5 hundred 16 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:48:02 PM: 680 - Ulat: 40.9276387460518 ULon: -123.904412861142 UHdg: 334 UAlt: 4073 UIAS=105 UGS=107 TOD: 16 OTG=False
9/26/2016 8:48:03 PM: 810 - Dist to Runway: 9.370623
--
9/26/2016 8:49:24 PM: 750 - Transcript: 'Piper 16 Juliet Cleared for the ILS runway 32 Approach Radar service terminated. Squawk 1200, change to advisory frequency approved on 123.5  '
9/26/2016 8:49:38 PM: 370 - Transcript: 'Out of 4 thousand until established on the ILS runway 32 16 Juliet  '
9/26/2016 8:49:45 PM: 590 - Dist to Runway: 8.502624
9/26/2016 8:49:49 PM: 110 - Ulat: 40.9782685923284 ULon: -123.916299130701 UHdg: 334 UAlt: 4044 UIAS=97 UGS=97 TOD: 16 OTG=False
You did not descend to 2500, but stayed at 4000 until you reached the FAF (which you have configured at 9 miles, which is a good value). ATC did not tell you to make a U-turn, but you did it on your own to descend and catch the ILS.
In the real world you probably would have announced a missed approach or go-around, and this is what you can do in PF3, too.
Or request a different runway and enter the local pattern for a visual approach, though I don't know exactly what the correct procedure would have been in this situation, as you approached a nontowered airport and radar service already has been terminated. Probably something like 8 to report airport in sight or Ctrl+Shift+W to select a different runway, tune to Multicom or Unicom, and then 0 to Check-in and 2 to enter downwind.
Page 1 of 1 All times are UTC+01:00
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited