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PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
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Author:  pschlute [ Sun Feb 21, 2016 5:50 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
The OP might have had greater success if he had used a sensible filed flight level in his plan. FL200 or 220 is what aircraft fly that route at.
Author:  vololiberista [ Sun Feb 21, 2016 7:24 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
pschlute wrote:
The OP might have had greater success if he had used a sensible filed flight level in his plan. FL200 or 220 is what aircraft fly that route at.
"I can't get my fpl to work. It doesn't do as expected. Is it me, or my fpl? help and guidance needed, thanks" Instead we got an essay on how to flame!
Author:  pschlute [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 12:41 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
Well I gave this flight a go.

I would not try a flightplan that had a first waypoint as the start of a STAR (that is asking for trouble) so I added CRI (part of the KENNEDY3 departure) as my first waypoint.

I then used a sensible FL ...FL200

I added more of the HYPER6 STAR waypoints to the plan and added the altitude constraints. I selected RBV as the start of my STAR.

I took off, reached RBV at FL200, received STAR instructions at RBV, further descent instructions in line with the STAR constraints, and on reaching HYPER at 10,000 feet received approach vectors which is exactly what I had expected to happen.

I hope this is of use to any new users of PF3.
Author:  vololiberista [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:20 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
So PF3 is not full of bugs then! I never thought so. It was always the fpl structure. If the OP dares to show his face on this forum again he should make a very public apology!!!!!!
Author:  ThomasAH [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 9:30 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
vololiberista wrote:
So PF3 is not full of bugs then! I never thought so. It was always the fpl structure. If the OP dares to show his face on this forum again he should make a very public apology!!!!!!
Please calm down a bit ... I wouldn't expect anyone to react to such a line in a useful way.

If PF3 does not cope with such flight plans (either by working around the problems, or by rejecting them), then PF3 could be improved here.
The only problem with the request was the tone in the original post.
Author:  vololiberista [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
ThomasAH wrote:
vololiberista wrote:
So PF3 is not full of bugs then! I never thought so. It was always the fpl structure. If the OP dares to show his face on this forum again he should make a very public apology!!!!!!
Please calm down a bit ... I wouldn't expect anyone to react to such a line in a useful way.

If PF3 does not cope with such flight plans (either by working around the problems, or by rejecting them), then PF3 could be improved here.
The only problem with the request was the tone in the original post.
Thomas, The OP had no right to behave as he did on the developer's own forum! It was extremely discourteous and he was incorrect in his assumptions.

The golden rule for computer programmes is well known. "Garbage in - garbage out!" I have never seen any computer programme that produces a perfect result when given garbage. Having said that PF3 actually does come up quite often with a "workable" solution given a trash fpl. To get a result that matches or closely matches the real thing though often requires a little tweaking here and there and with PF3 you do get there with ease I might say!

Working with Dave as we both have, we both know his focus is to always improve on what he has done. He's quick to respond with fixes when they are needed and he has always been open to sugestion. not the "nudge nudge, wink wink" type though :lol: (probably!!)

When you see other forums where developers have 'given up' or simply don't respond to requests for help even, one recognises how good PF3 is now and how it may develope in the future.

People want different things from different ATC programs. PF3 is flexible enough to satisfy the majority of needs in my opinion.
Author:  Dave Leesley [ Mon Feb 22, 2016 8:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: PF3 First Flight - A Disaster (Part 2)
Guys...
think we need to draw closure on this, i agree people should conduct themselves in a more polite manner and i back you on that 100% but unfortunately some people don't conduct themselves in a professional manner when using forums, i've seen this in FS Labs recently..
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