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Author:  darem [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:00 pm ]
Post subject:  Not all is good. Not at all.
Ok, I am getting more and more frustrated with PF3, as it seems it does things worse than PFE did.

Let me explain: I wasn't able to do a SINGLE flawless flight in PF3. Everything is fine until I am handed off to approach. From there on, it's all a mess.
First of all I thought it's because I had FAF distance to 4nm. But now I that I changed it to 9nm, it's even WORSE.

I did a flight EDDW to EDDT. I used the latest runway data and created a FP in FSC9 that imported fine.
I had the settings set to long runway, 1200ft/min on ascending and 900ft/min descending, I have turned speed off. All matching my plane perfectly well.
In the INI settings, I had FAF distance 9nm, FAF altitude 3000ft and speed off.

I was vectored, then asked to resume own navigation. After TOD, I was brought to 3000 feet with vectoring for runway 08L. ATC told me to reduce speed nevertheless, but that was within reasonable boundaries. I was slower than told.

When I reached 3000 feet, I was pretty close to the airport, way too close for my taste, and then I was just forgotten by ATC. I crossed the airport from the side of runway 08L, but NEVER on ILS, just the general direction.

I am starting to feel that I have wasted my money. I now have six full flights on record, a success quote of 0%.

The end part of the flight is just rubbish, sorry. BTW - transition altitude is never called, either (I think it was in PFE, wasn't it?)

Here's the plan I flew:
EDDW RORAN Z612 GESTO Z870 BKD L619 PITEN Z998 RATMO EDDT

RATMO is 33miles away from EDDT. FL was 170.

Please help, it's tremendously frustrating.
Author:  Dave March [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
Please send me the Debug log for that flight from your pf3/,logs folder

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Author:  ThomasAH [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:17 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
darem wrote:
When I reached 3000 feet, I was pretty close to the airport, way too close for my taste, and then I was just forgotten by ATC. I crossed the airport from the side of runway 08L, but NEVER on ILS, just the general direction.
I assume you missed the ILS beam and due to that never contacted Tower "when established".
Please send Logs/debug_monitor.log ... or as they say: Logs or it did not happen :)
Author:  darem [ Mon Feb 08, 2016 9:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
ThomasAH wrote:
darem wrote:
When I reached 3000 feet, I was pretty close to the airport, way too close for my taste, and then I was just forgotten by ATC. I crossed the airport from the side of runway 08L, but NEVER on ILS, just the general direction.
I assume you missed the ILS beam and due to that never contacted Tower "when established".
Please send Logs/debug_monitor.log ... or as they say: Logs or it did not happen :)
sent.

BTW: The course I was vectored onto would never have crossed ILS.
Author:  vololiberista [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:04 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
darem wrote:
ThomasAH wrote:
darem wrote:
When I reached 3000 feet, I was pretty close to the airport, way too close for my taste, and then I was just forgotten by ATC. I crossed the airport from the side of runway 08L, but NEVER on ILS, just the general direction.
I assume you missed the ILS beam and due to that never contacted Tower "when established".
Please send Logs/debug_monitor.log ... or as they say: Logs or it did not happen :)
sent.

BTW: The course I was vectored onto would never have crossed ILS.
Firstly, I assume you are trying to do an IFR fpl? You would be most unlikely to get permission to fly into Berlin VFR! It's guaranteed that Berlin Approach will require you to fly a STAR. So you need to at least fly to the start of the relevant STAR.
Your basic fpl based on current airac should be

Cruise altitude between FL170 and FL170
EDDW (0.0nm) -SID-> GESTO (47.4nm) -Z870-> RIDNI (76.1nm) -Z870->
NEBUN (88.7nm) -Z870-> GURLO (94.4nm) -Z870-> BKD (100.7nm) -L619->
PITEN (110.7nm) -L619-> VIBIS (129.8nm) -STAR-> EDDT (172.3nm)

The glideslope angle is a standard 3deg so set you FAF distance to 7nm in the tweaks page and make sure that the FAF altitude is 3,000ft. If your afcad doesn't show an outer marker set FAF distance to 11.

Nota BENE!! When you fly SIDs or STARs in ICAO you are never vectored (except for a heading from the end of STAR to localiser capture). Vectoring is an FAA procedure.
Author:  darem [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:06 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
IFR, of course. This flight was just a mess, though.

Did an new one today from EDDT to EDBC, IFR, landing on 26. That one was picture perfect. My first perfect flight out of seven.

I'll keep you updated.
Author:  vololiberista [ Tue Feb 09, 2016 10:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Not all is good. Not at all.
darem wrote:
IFR, of course. This flight was just a mess, though.

Did an new one today from EDDT to EDBC, IFR, landing on 26. That one was picture perfect. My first perfect flight out of seven.

I'll keep you updated.
Try the routing I have suggested above.
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