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pointy56
Post subject: Re: Destination gate or parking
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 12:31 pm
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Hi John,

It would be really helpful if you could provide the debug_monitor.log file for any flights that you have queries with; in this case both would be useful so we can try to see what is different between them - I would like to review the taxi route information that I provide for TGS to use.
If the GBYD log has already been overwritten, it may be the 'old' one, then please upload one next time you have a similar situation.

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Martin

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johnhinson
Post subject: Re: Destination gate or parking
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 2:10 pm
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Sorry, Martin, whenever I post I always think of something afterwards and that I wanted to say - in this case to say that I don't want to flood the server with logs but will gladly provide any that will be useful.

So here is the flight into GBYD . . .

Best regards,

John

PS . . . yes, I forgot to say something this time AGAIN. I have included the AFD file in case it helps but I have modified it since that flight as I found some gate numbers duplicated each other. So it might not exactly match what is in the log.

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Dave March
Post subject: Re: Destination gate or parking
Posted: Fri May 17, 2024 2:51 pm
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Hi John,

Firstly don't ever worry about flooding the server with logs, we would rather have a log we don't need than need a log we don't have :?
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This is what remains:

i) The "Recent ATC Communication Log" is completely blank for the entire flight on about one in four occasions, at other times it works perfectly. I haven't managed to establish any factors that are causing this yet.

ii) As described above, the final advice on arrival at gate does not seem to work at small airports. This is an opinion based on just two flights so far.

iii) The Taxi gauge, and the TGS display, do not give guidance occasionally - both when departing at the start and arriving at destination. The spoken guidance is fine. I am now leaning towards this being where the distance to be taxied is fairly short, e.g. small airports as described above, but also at larger airports where your start point is close to the runway.

iv) The random gate selection, selected in Options #1, continues to dump me in GA parking on about 50% of flights. I can't figure out why. To be honest I have found this so frustrating that I have reverted to choosing a gate (or whatever) in Options #2. The random idea is great, but it is so frustrating to have a perfect relaxing flight only for things to go wrong once back on the ground.
i) as a matter of interest could you make a note of your callsign when the coms log doesn't work please.

ii) work in progress

iii) The Taxi Gauge is not longer supported unfortunately. If the TGS Display fails just stop and restart it. Also could you confirm the version you're currently using.

iv) Did that happen in the most recent log you uploaded?

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Post subject: Re: Destination gate or parking
Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 9:15 am
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Dave March wrote: *  Fri May 17, 2024 2:51 pm
i) as a matter of interest could you make a note of your callsign when the coms log doesn't work please.

ii) work in progress

iii) The Taxi Gauge is not longer supported unfortunately. If the TGS Display fails just stop and restart it. Also could you confirm the version you're currently using.

iv) Did that happen in the most recent log you uploaded?
Thought I replied to the above yesterday but the more Poo looks the more it isn't there! Must have cancelled it in error. Doh!

Briefly what I was trying to say was:
i) Will do
ii) understood, thanks
iii) Yes, I was aware the taxi gauge no longer has official support but it still seems to work fine, echoing exactly the behaviour of the TGS display. On the occasions it is blank, so is the TGS Display, the latter shows something along the lines of "not connected" but I will give you the full message next time. I will certainly try re-starting it next time too.
iv) Regret not, but see below.

Todays flight, OPGD to OPKC went smoothly until arrival at Karachi. I had "Gate Small" selected in Options #1 but was sent to PNE11, log attached.

Best regards,

John

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Dave March
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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 10:41 am
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With this flight you didn't have 'Gate only parking' enabled, in which case PF3 will collate all empty gates and parking areas. Also, if you have Gate Small selected you could also be sent to Medium or Large. Selecting Medium will only allow for medium and large. Obviously selecting Large you would not be sent to anything smaller.

This could easily be change of course but the idea behind the current logic was to try and ensure you were always given a gate/parking instruction rather than the default 'Taxi to terminal'

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Posted: Sat May 18, 2024 3:08 pm
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Dave March wrote: *  Sat May 18, 2024 10:41 am
With this flight you didn't have 'Gate only parking' enabled, in which case PF3 will collate all empty gates and parking areas. Also, if you have Gate Small selected you could also be sent to Medium or Large. Selecting Medium will only allow for medium and large. Obviously selecting Large you would not be sent to anything smaller.

This could easily be change of course but the idea behind the current logic was to try and ensure you were always given a gate/parking instruction rather than the default 'Taxi to terminal'
That sounds great, Dave, I will tick that box straight away. I'm very happy with the fact it will take you to another gate if a "small" isn't available - until now I have been diligently checking my destination airport to see what types of gate exist.

That should sort me for passenger flights nicely, but what of cargo flights? I think I would have to uncheck the "gate only" option but then I think I would be in the same position of being offered one of the many available parkings again. Is it best to over-ride everything by choosing a parking spot for cargo flights for the time being?

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Dave March
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For Cargo parking unselect 'Gate Only' and then select 'Cargo' under TGS options and that 'should' work fine now. If not, you know where I am :lol:

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Hiding in the toilet?

Thanks, will try that. Looks like I have a method to work to.

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Todays report . . . :)

Taxi instructions worked well except no "gate" advice at destination. On this occasion it is not a small airport (EYVI) but I think it is possible that this may have been caused by the airport layout having a route through the gate and out the other side. In FS terms this can cause problems with AI taxying through other AI (!) so it isn't a very clever arrangement (even if true to real life) and I will be editing and removing that feature.

The ATC log was blank throughout. Callsign was set to "None" and flight number to FO252. No, that isn't a rude joke - FO is the IATA code for Fred Olsen, as was.

Best regards,

John

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Sorry to be giving daily reports!

Flight into OIII today, log attached. All was good during departure and flight. On arrival, once again, no visual taxi guidance, TGS display was showing "FS/TGS not active". Perhaps I need to read up on how/when I should be activating that.

Verbal guidance to gate was as it should be - Martin may be interested to know that the call for "gate" does indeed work at the "dog-leg" parking used in classic-era airports we discussed earlier.

Best regards,

John

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