Well, simply nothing, that sentence is useless...
dmarch wrote: Well I don't think we have anything else in the can to use in place of Resume own navigation
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| Author: | ThomasAH [ Sun Sep 18, 2016 5:48 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
After reading various parts of the net, I must admit that there is not much information about this situation available, which possibly means that nothing should be said here (as jgoggi suggested), but in https://forums.vatsim.net/viewtopic.php?p=32980 I found "proceed as filed" and "proceed direct to (next waypoint name)". So maybe "continue as filed": pfchat556=continue pfchat558=as filed Or "continue direct to (next waypoint name)": pfchat556=continue pfchat566=direct to Further discussion about this: http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-14771.html http://www.pprune.org/archive/index.php/t-15721.html Here people seem to agree that "Resume own navigation" should (or has to?) be followed by a "to XYZ" or "direct to XYZ" and only happens after being radar vectored, which I read as not after a SID. So I would propose: Find the next waypoint name. If found: - after vectoring (no SID), issue "Resume own navigation to XYZ" - after a SID, issue "continue direct to XYZ" If not found (can this happen? maybe on very short flight plans?): - after vectoring (no SID), issue "Resume own navigation" - after a SID, issue "continue as filed" |
| Author: | jgoggi [ Sun Sep 18, 2016 8:15 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
Well, simply nothing, that sentence is useless... |
| Author: | Dave March [ Sun Sep 18, 2016 10:18 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
No I kinda like it as it is thanks! |
| Author: | jgoggi [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 8:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
I agree! |
| Author: | bobsk8 [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:00 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
| I personally like "resume your own navigation" which I have heard from ATC many times in real life. That tells me if I was given a heading and vector after departure, that I can now set auto pilot to follow the GPS track rather than heading mode. |
| Author: | Dave March [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 1:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
Yes and I also believe it is much easier for those who may not be aware of RW procedures to understand... and there are many of us in the sim world! If you're departing without using a SID, ATC will give you instructions up to a certain point, then tell you to 'Resume own navigation'... which makes sense. The same if you are departing using a published procedure, once you complete that procedure what do you do next? If ATC say nothing at all my guess is a lot of users will simply just keep going on their last heading! Whereas if ATC say 'Resume own navigation' then it's perfectly clear to all IMO. |
| Author: | bobsk8 [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 2:20 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
Exactly, a good way to be told to report to the FAA when you land, is to change headings on your own after you are given a heading to fly by ATC. |
| Author: | vololiberista [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:34 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
Actually you can hear it at the end of a SID. Or alternatively if the controller intervenes and directs you away from the SID he will say it at some point. Probably the only time you wouldn't hear it in comparison with PF3 is at the end of a STAR. In PF3 the problem it has is that it doesn't know the height of the local terrrain so it compensates by giving you the option to navigate arround the high terrain and thus signals "Resume own navigation" as prompt for you. Never heard the departure controller giving QNH I have! |
| Author: | ThomasAH [ Tue Sep 20, 2016 4:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
I filed a wish list entry in the internal forum for this:
This way even with SIDs PF3 still says something useful, but avoids "Resume own navigation" being given without being vectored first. |
| Author: | vololiberista [ Wed Sep 21, 2016 10:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Contacting departure... |
The point is Thomas that "Resume own navigation" is a valid phrase by itself. And its meaning is quite clear. If I am flying a SID then the last SID wypt coincides with the first wypt of the flightplan so "Resume own navigation" is quite correct here when you reach the SID ceiling. The only time PF3 uses it incorrectly (which was brought up during the beta) is during the approach phase where "continue (pfchat238=until established on the ILS pfchat239=until established on the ILS/DME pfchat240=until established on the Localizer)": could/should be substituted. |
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