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driver170 wrote:

One other thing my sid or star waypoints don't show up in pfe or don't you see them?

If they are in the flightplan before you compile you will see them, unless they are so close together that PFE does not display them....refer to the manual which explains this.

driver170 wrote:

Also if am using the 737 ngx will i have to input pfe waypoints into my FMC?

For a realistic flight simulation, you want to have both the PFE flightplan waypoints and any aircraft FMC waypoints the same. So just use the original flightplan (the one you compiled from) for your FMC waypoint entries.

Perhaps an example would help:

SID

I am doing a westbound flight from EGLL. My first waypoint in my flightplan is CPT which is 28 nm from EGLL. CPT is also the end of the SID I am going to fly so I make sure when I compile the plan in PFE it has an altitude of 6000. I do NOT need to add any of the SID waypoints before CPT to my flightplan before I compile.

I either: tick the box in PFE SIDS/STARS page for SIDS active, and tell PFE on the same page that the SID is complete when I reach 6000
or : select CPT for end of SID in waypoints page.

Then when I set up my FMC I select my CPT SID and after getting clearance delivery/pushback+start/takeoff clearance, I takeoff and fly my SID. Then either when I reach 6000 or reach CPT I will be told to continue my own navigation and will get further FL instructions after I have reached CPT




STARS with vectors to finals.

I am doing a westbound flight into EGLL. I want to be vectored to finals from the last waypoint in the STAR LAM3A. When i create my flightplan prior to compiling in PFE I include all the waypoints of the STAR including the last one LAM. I then compile, and in PFE I then make sure the altitudes at the STAR waypoints are adjusted to reflect the STAR altitudes. I DO NOT tick the box on SIDS/STARS page to enable STARS (cleared to finals). I DO NOT select a start of STAR in the waypoints page.

I set up my FMC so that LAM3A is my STAR, and I will get ATC guidance as to altitude all the way to LAM at which point I will be vectored to final.

As an alternative if I wish, I can select a start of STAR in PFE for waypoint LOGAN or CLN. In this case I will be told to fly my STAR at that point and I follow the STAR procedure as to altitude. At LAM I will get vectored to finals.


STARS without vectors (cleared to finals)

I am doing a flight to VHHX (the old Kai Tak airport. I dont want vectors because I want to fly the IGS13 approach myself. I set the flightplan so CH VOR is the last waypoint before i compile. Then in PFE I set 8000 as the altitude for CH; I select 8000 as the FAF for VHHX; and I tick the box in SIDS/STARS for "STARS active/cleared for finals". This means when I reach the last waypoint (CH) at 8000, I will be told to fly the approach to finals myself. I fly the IGS approach, descending where neccesary and during the approach I get told to contact tower.

Hope this helps.

ok one step at a time STAR vector to finals you mention you see your star waypoints in pfe? i don't? i only see the first waypoint on my route and the last waypoint. and of course anything in between.

ok i understand STAR without vectors! i think lol

I'm not getting it buddy. i'm looking at my ofe plan and dont see my star waypoints only my last waypoint?

you wrote - As an alternative if I wish, I can select a start of STAR in PFE for waypoint LOGAN or CLN. In this case I will be told to fly my STAR at that point and I follow the STAR procedure as to altitude. At LAM I will get vectored to finals.

if you select start of star you want get vectored is that right?

driver170 wrote:

if you select start of star you want get vectored is that right?

If you select "start of star" in the waypoints page you WILL get vectors when you reach your final waypoint.

If you INSTEAD select the STAR tickbox in the SIDS/STARS page you WILL NOT get vectors when you reach the last waypoint, instead you will be "cleared for finals".... ie. find you own way there.


For the avoidance of any confusion, vectors in this discussion means: vectors FROM the last waypoint to the runway.

driver170 wrote:

I'm not getting it buddy. i'm looking at my ofe plan and dont see my star waypoints only my last waypoint?

The only waypoints that will appear in PFE will be ones that YOU put in the original plan. If you want STAR waypoints in PFE, you need to put them in the plan before you compile.

pschlute wrote:

driver170 wrote:

if you select start of star you want get vectored is that right?

If you select "start of star" in the waypoints page you WILL get vectors when you reach your final waypoint.

If you INSTEAD select the STAR tickbox in the SIDS/STARS page you WILL NOT get vectors when you reach the last waypoint, instead you will be "cleared for finals".... ie. find you own way there.


For the avoidance of any confusion, vectors in this discussion means: vectors FROM the last waypoint to the runway.

Wow its all working now duuude lol just been vectored was perfect and atc even reduced my speed to flaps up speed and flaps 1 5 15 and vref how can they tell those where my speeds?

What happens if i select STAR tickbox in the SIDS/STARS page and start of star together?