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Author:  capsam500 [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 10:19 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
kramerdc9 wrote:
Not an expert with the program yet; however, reading the manual has some good suggestions regarding planning flightplan. Especially from Beta Tester's Guide To PFE(pg.125). I was a little confused building a flightplan without sids/stars and asked the question how PFE handles it. And as others have said, it just vectors you to 1st waypoint, follow flightplan to last waypoint then vectors you for ILS. As far as too high, make sure you adjust waypoint altitudes on descent. If you just leave same altitude for whole flight, you will of course be too high. Also, make sure last waypoint is around 4,000ft as per suggestions in manual. This should give you a reasonable approach for ILS.
capsam500 wrote:
is it possible to use PFE and still do a flight without using SIDS and Stars like in the default fsx atc?

i tried disabling sids and stars in the options but i was never told to descend when nearing the airport
i was given directions to the ILS but no descent instructions


any suggestions?

thanks
sam

just attempted a flight and set the final waypoint to 4000 and still i wasnt told to descend early enough and had to abort the flight

any ideas?
thanks
sam
Author:  pschlute [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:29 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
Sam

can you open the flight in PFE (Select New ADV), click the box to "adjust waypoint altitudes" and then post a screenshot on here. Or post the waypoints and their altitudes starting with the last waypoint at cruise FL.
Author:  capsam500 [ Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:43 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
pschlute wrote:
Sam

can you open the flight in PFE (Select New ADV), click the box to "adjust waypoint altitudes" and then post a screenshot on here. Or post the waypoints and their altitudes starting with the last waypoint at cruise FL.

sure,
next time i do a flight i will do :-)
think ill do one tomorrow
Author:  capsam500 [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 6:20 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
pschlute wrote:
Sam

can you open the flight in PFE (Select New ADV), click the box to "adjust waypoint altitudes" and then post a screenshot on here. Or post the waypoints and their altitudes starting with the last waypoint at cruise FL.

ok. heres a flight i want to do:
EGBB-EDDF

ive set the minimum faf altitude for EDDF to 3000 and here are the waypoint altitudes (note: i have SIDs and STARs disabled as i understand it still works without?)

[ img ]

is this all correct?
thanks
sam
Author:  pschlute [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
Yes , that looks fine and should work ok.

A couple of points worth noting however.....

You are telling PFE to keep you at cruise ALT until after MATUG. That is only 89 NM from the airport, so you are going to be a bit tight on getting down and slowing down.

EDDF has 4000 feet as the usual min altitude for glideslope cature so yu might want to change the waypoint RUDUS and the FAF ALT to 4000

Peter
Author:  capsam500 [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 7:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
pschlute wrote:
Yes , that looks fine and should work ok.

A couple of points worth noting however.....

You are telling PFE to keep you at cruise ALT until after MATUG. That is only 89 NM from the airport, so you are going to be a bit tight on getting down and slowing down.

EDDF has 4000 feet as the usual min altitude for glideslope cature so yu might want to change the waypoint RUDUS and the FAF ALT to 4000

Peter
ok will do thanks
ill let u know how i get on...
Author:  capsam500 [ Mon Aug 12, 2013 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
pschlute wrote:
Yes , that looks fine and should work ok.

A couple of points worth noting however.....

You are telling PFE to keep you at cruise ALT until after MATUG. That is only 89 NM from the airport, so you are going to be a bit tight on getting down and slowing down.

EDDF has 4000 feet as the usual min altitude for glideslope cature so yu might want to change the waypoint RUDUS and the FAF ALT to 4000

Peter
i did the flight all seemed good. however i dont think 4000 was the right altitude for the ILS as i was aligned horizontally but vertically the needle didnt start moving and i flew straight over the top of the runway so i think i should have been lower


sam
Author:  pschlute [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 12:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
If you were too high, the GS needle/indicator would have been moving a long time before you reached the runway ! If it didn't react at all perhaps you had the wrong frequency. What was the runway?

I am still using an older version of EDDF, which does not have the new runway, so my charts are out of date, but they all show 4000 feet.

I believe MSA is 3200 at EDDF, so 4000 looks right to me. http://www.vacc-sag.org/airport/EDDF

Peter
Author:  capsam500 [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 10:27 am ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
It was runway 7L I believe and I have the mega airport Frankfurt scenery so the frequency will be different to yours but I'm pretty sure it was right as I was aligned with the right runway horizontally so it must've been. It may be that I was just not paying attention to the needle and never saw it move at all! Anyway, I'm going to attempt another flight somewhere else and ill let u know how I get on again...


Thanks
Sam
Author:  pschlute [ Tue Aug 13, 2013 1:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: flying without SID/Star
If you have scenery that contains the new runway 07L, have a look at the charts I linked to. RWY07L has two ILS approaches "Y" and "Z". They both use different ILS frequencies. The degree of glideslope is different between the two. it would be worth checking if the scenery has both ILS installations.

I think this has something to do with you not getting glideslope info.
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