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Looks like will need to make a small change in PFE phraseology.

FAA Controllers To Use New Terminology Prior To Takeoff
Wed, 01 Sep '10

It's Official. "Line Up And Wait" Will Replace "Position And Hold"

Pilots authorized by air traffic controllers to taxi onto runways and await takeoff clearance will be instructed to “line up and wait” rather than “position and hold” beginning on September 30 under new terminology adopted by the FAA. The new terminology, which was recommended by the National Transportation Safety Board, conforms to terminology used internationally under ICAO guidelines.

A safety analysis conducted by the FAA’s Air Traffic Organization Terminal Services determined that adopting the phrase “line up and wait” will eliminate confusion, particularly among pilots who also fly overseas, and further reduce the risk of runway incursions.

Beginning September 30, controllers will state the aircraft’s call sign, state the departure runway and then instruct pilots to “line up and wait,” i.e., “United 451, Runway 33L, line up and wait.” The phrase, “traffic holding in position” will continue to be used to advise other aircraft that traffic has been authorized to line up and wait on an active runway.

Lynn

Slowly but surely the FAA is coming into line with the "Rest of the World!"
vololiberista

Thanks Lynn

As an old long time pilot, is sounds dumb... You don't line up on the runway..or have aircraft "in line" on the runway...I know that the FAA doesn't mean that but thats what it sounds like....I am sure they mean "line up with the runway center line..."

The phrase I have has always been "Taxi into position and hold".. You usually only get this call after you have been told to "hold short of runway XX" as planes normally taxi up to the hold short line (perpendicular to the runway) then contact the tower to advise them they are "ready for IFR departure"

Does the FAA want planes to "line up and wait" at the hold short line..? We know they "line up and wait" on the taxi way and wait ...

Not sure about this "rest of the world" crap.. The words HOLD and WAIT have two different meanings... HOLD means to stay your position.. Wait means just that. Its a function of time... When in flight will we go into "waiting patterns"

My Jeppesen FAA manual is a a year old..I guess I''ll have to up date it..

We can't be too far from "texting or tweeting" the control tower...

[the phrase “line up and wait” will eliminate confusion,] confusion from what.../???

The FAA has been seriously behind standard practice in the rest of the World. "Line up and wait" means to taxi onto the runway and line up with the centre line ready for take-off clearance.
vololiberista

I know what 'line up and wait' means...I noted that in my previous reply...Its still "DUMB" even if the FAA approves it...The FAA is not always right and I am not sure we need to 'catch up with the rest of the world'

"Taxi into position and hold" is perfectly clear and is only given by the tower..If one wanted to be more "correct" the tower could say "Taxi into takeoff position and hold" ...Now thats as clear as it gets...Can't misunderstand that...

Words take on meaning and understanding...We need to use them correctly...

Saying the word takeoff in a sentence that isn't actually giving you takeoff clearance could be potentially dangerous. Picture this scenario, the pilot isn't paying full attention and thinks he actually just heard "cleared to takeoff" at which point he replies "cleared to takeoff blah blah" and unbeknown to him he rips the headset out of the socket and his speaker on the radio is already not working. The pilot continues with the takeoff unable to hear the tower saying abort takeoff or whatever. That's why they have decided to change the terminology so as to avoid any misunderstandings at all.

Sorry guys, but I'm from the old school.(age 73)... We could come up with several hundred pilot scenarios... Pilot 'not paying full attention'..Thats pilot error...Where's the co-pilot error in all this...

I actually took off on an IFR flight..I was handed over to Departure...Just after contact with deperture we smelled an "electrical" fire and began an emergency return to our departure airport.. I reported this to Departure and heard instructions...and switched transponder code to 1200 VFR... What I did not know was that we had burned up our transmitter side of the radio and Departure did not hear us but we could hear them.. When you think there is a Fire you head to the nearest landing point...Basically we were never more than 2 or 3 miles from our take off point..We still did not understand that our transmitter had burned up.. Departure could see our return path and advised the tower that we were headed back to land... I could now hear the tower clear me to land even though I had actually called them.. All this happened in about 5 minutes.. When you smell smoke and an obvious electrical fire..You do what you have to do...
I spoke to the FAA later in the tower..(I went up to the tower and spoke directly to the FAA)... During the emergency I never thought to use the Comm 2 because I was recieving on the Comm 1 reciever..The FAA were very understanding.. They knew when I quickly changed transponder codes and turned back to my departure point that I had a problem..They automatically cleared the area for my landing...
Technically I probably violated a rule or two...I just tell this story to show what can happen during communications....

Having flown all over the USA, I have heard words, phrases and procedures on the West Coast that were different on the East Coast..Local habits I guess??